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Should this not be titled 'Harbourfront/Spadina Streetcar (TTC)'? The 'LRT' name has mostly been dropped in Toronto, because the 'RT' caused people to confuse the streetcar right-of-way projects with more intrusive systems like the Scarborough RT. David Arthur 13:14, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)


The article cites a document that shows the streetcars are two minutes slower than the old Spadina bus? That is interesting. But there is another very strong advantage of the streetcars. I used to ride that bus several times a week in the years prior to the streetcar construction.

  • The buses were often trapped in traffic for ten minutes or more going the 500 metres from Dundas to College.
  • The windows of the buses used to tattle deafeningly when the buses were able to travel at a reasonable speed. Why? I don't know for sure. But I suspect the road conditions were so poor, with so many potholes, that they only ran old, worn out buses there. Geo Swan (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I changed the length of the tunnel portion of the line. Previously the article asserted it was "2 km". I was sure it was shorter -- maybe 400 metres. But according to mapblast Front and Queen's Quay are .6 km apart. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds about right, definitely not 2 km. Canterbury Tail talk 02:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The article currently asserts:

"Despite its political image as a ‘modern, rapid transit’ streetcar line, the 604 Harbourfront route was originally operated using rebuilt PCC streetcars, which were referred to as "Red Rockets" in a branding effort. These were soon replaced by Toronto's CLRV streetcars, which form the majority of the city's current fleet."

  1. "Red Rocket" is a decades old name for TTC vehicles, taken out of retirement.
  2. IIUC, the UTDC vehicles don't form the majority of the city's current fleet. For at least a decade they have formed the entirety of it. The TTC's retains 1 old Peter Dewitt car, and two PCC cars -- but only for ceremonial purposes, or for charter. (One can charter a vehicle for a party, and these vehicles don't have to follow scheduled routes.)
  3. My recollection is that the PCC cars had all been retired before the Spadina line was opened.
  4. Personally, I have a great fondness for the TTC's PCC's original livery of maroon and yellow.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 01:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The maroon and yellow PCCs are occasionally used as standard streetcars when they need vehicles. I often see them, and have travelled on them many times, on the regular scheduled 510 route. Canterbury Tail talk 02:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I will have to keep my eyes peeled for one. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 05:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Details on this should be in the TTC fares article, rather than here. An encyclopaedia article is not meant to be a user guide for riding the streeetcar. I have been bold and deleted a bunch of details. Discussion? Ground Zero | t 17:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The POP information inserted to this article was extremely detailed. The section about TTC POP in Toronto Transit Commission fares should be expanded, since this applies to more than one route. If the reader requires those details, a link is given. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:13, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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